Copyright/DNP/Furry Jew Lawyers
So here’s the deal with the whole issue:
Paheal works hard foster good relations with artists and respect their right to determine where their art is posted on the internet. They work hours on images and should have a say as to what happens to it.
On the other hand, bending over backwards to the slightest whims creates headaches, huge DNP lists, and generally disappoints and frustrates a community that both expects and ascribes to the open nature of the internet.
Then, on the extreme, we get people who threaten us with lawsuits and scare us into compliance. These are often referred to as SLAPPs. This occurred recently with Drawn-sex, as many of you may know. We do not have the resources to fight these in court, and hosts tend to be skittish about legal reliability. Even if we were to fight something, our host would still shut down the site. Also, I, for one, am not willing to have my name on a lawsuit of this nature and jeopardize future opportunities.
We are also aware of the “how can you copyright stolen copyrighted characters and make money off of them” argument. There is stuff about parodies and fair-use in there, as well as international agreements and local copyright laws. In short, if you are a lawyer and want to explain it to us, feel free. In the mean time, we are not concerned about it.
In sum, we walk a fine line between courting artists’ respect and users’ expectations. We wish that all artists would allow their art on our site. We wish all artists didn’t care about what was said about their art. But we understand that not all are like this, and respect that. In this respect, we made the DNP list and the Friends of Paheal list to show that attempt at balance.
cdc234 said,
October 14, 2010 @ 1:33 am
Just so you know, I’ve found some Drawn-Sex and Tram Panaram stuff under ‘Mulan’.
Chaosx said,
October 14, 2010 @ 2:03 am
No offense, but you people don’t walk a fine line in the slightest,
You let drawn-sex steal our art, while they force you to stop stealing theirs. and you just take it up the ass. hence why i choose to get on the dnp list, you have very little respect for artists.
I’ll be sure to tell everyone i know about this as well. Hope you like that dnp list getting big.
Chaosx said,
October 14, 2010 @ 2:08 am
last of all, you lot are to stupid to realize that drawn-sex and such would never go through with it. they have no ground to stand on.
you can explain your reasons but don’t you dare say you “fight for our rights” because that’s a bold faced lie. You bend whichever way the wind blows, despite who has “rights” or not. All anyone has to do is cause a little drama and wave something in your face and your down for the count.
BiHentaiGuy said,
October 14, 2010 @ 2:10 am
I really wish most artists would not want to be DNP,if it’s a paysite however that’s all fine and dandy with me.
Yaoitory said,
October 14, 2010 @ 2:38 am
Basically the one who created copyright is the biggest a-hole in the world and should never have existed. I always watch rule34 and enjoy it very much, already downloaded over 5000 pictures or so. But now, there is barely any good picture left, certainly from the animes I love, which frustrates me, because the DNP’s all ask money to get to there sites and always have virusses. It’s just so sad that a great side is getting sued/getting destroyed because some people are just sad.
I mean, I-net is for sharing, if you do not want that, FO from the I-net:@
ShadowSonic said,
October 14, 2010 @ 3:18 am
If you get brought to court, countersue with a case of “if the artist makes a profit from a copyrighted character without permission from the original owner(s), they should get sued”.
notanonymous said,
October 14, 2010 @ 4:17 am
As much as it’s been abused, copyright does serve a purpose, even with today’s internet.
But by all means, carry on with “ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!” if it makes you feel better.
Pointing_Out_Why_You_Suck said,
October 14, 2010 @ 4:24 am
I’ve always maintained a “do it until you can’t” philosophy. Props to the team for keeping Paheal alive in a world that would burn it.
Chup@Cabra said,
October 14, 2010 @ 7:41 am
In the end, much of the DNP lists is composed of artists who have their own/work for pay sites, so having their stuff posted for free elsewhere should legitimately upset them.
Like another said above, I’ve always gone with ‘do it until told to stop’, and drawn sex and others finally said “Stop!”. It was a good run while it lasted, and there are still tons of free images out there to post.
Yuzuha said,
October 14, 2010 @ 8:45 am
The problem with copyright is it’s one of those old timey laws trying to keep up with a modern day business infrastructure. Disney, of course, partly shoulders the blame, as they were the biggest lobbying group behind keeping the traditional old-style copyrights because that meant they didn’t need to renew them/fight off new funny animal characters every 5 years, they could slack off and do it every 25-50.
Copyright was originally created to protect the works and ideas of pulp novelists, victorian artists, and inventors, as there was a lot of petty thievery and backstabbery in those days, and since you couldn’t document the timeline of your innovative process aside from your own home journals, which could be whipped up at any time, so you now could go to the patent office right as soon as you had a flash in the pan idea and patent it. The double-edged sword of this is sometimes a lazy sumbitch would patent something they never had the drive to create, intending to try and sell the patent to some broke-ass garage-borne inventor instead of just letting him go right ahead and finish his work. And from there you get into the whole Edison vs Tesla battles. Nowadays some invention especially pertaining to computers is obsolete before the patent lifespan is even one-fifth past. And there’s really no reason to ‘protect’ paysite work past 4 or 5 years anyway unless it was set up like DA and you were using epic masterpieces’ thumbnails in yer featurebox to advertise a website full of copy and paste tracefaggotry. *hint hint*
I can rationlise no possible argument for Drawn-Sex, though. Holy shit, the only good shit on that place is stolen from OTHER PAY WEBSITES *ecksdee*
fuggin european mexicunts
darthbrandon said,
October 14, 2010 @ 8:47 am
i am just glad rule 34 has awesome admins that keep this shit running even tho asshats like drawn sex want you to pay hard earned money just to see shit i could draw in ms paint in like 30 seconds although its sad to see this site fall on such hard times with like 50k DNP updates in the last month id rather have rule34 be alive and healthy than sued and dead
CaptainAwesome said,
October 14, 2010 @ 11:38 am
i respect copyright holders rights.they created ‘product x’ and they can do with it whatever they choose.but being an exclusionary money hungry douchebag doesn’t help salesor popularity.they should perhaps learn that.
prote said,
October 14, 2010 @ 12:39 pm
I like to interpret what CaptainAwesome said as to say we should take off rule34 the art made by artists who do not want it to be there and than make a fuss about it all over the Internet so that all the people know how much they suck and so that they can’t make money off it. I know that’s not what he said, but I think that would be great thing to do
Hookedonlemons said,
October 14, 2010 @ 1:20 pm
No more drawn sex? Good!
I’ve grown very tired of seeing “OPS!” every fucking day!
passer_by said,
October 14, 2010 @ 3:33 pm
JOIN US NOW AND SHARE THE PORNO
YOU’LL BEEEE’E FREEEEE FAAAAAPPERS
Charlie said,
October 14, 2010 @ 5:18 pm
I don’t get why people were posting drawn-sex in the first place.
Shittier than a fat kid taking a shit on a scat pic.
PerryJ said,
October 14, 2010 @ 5:45 pm
I agree with what CaptainAwesome said, especially since using material elsewhere, on Youtube or Paheal or whatever, is free advertisement. I can’t count how many things I got to know through “illegal use of copyrighted material” – And grown to love and pour money into them.
Thank you for all the hard work, Paheal people, I appreciate it.
emikochan said,
October 14, 2010 @ 5:53 pm
copyright exists because of assholes that will take the hard work of others and profit from it without giving any credit / return. Artists have very little protection.
Selfish people ruined it for the rest of the world. Don’t give us artists shit for trying to defend ourselves Yaoitory, Just try being on the other side of the fence for a while. You are so very naive.
That said, love paheal and making r34 for people that appreciate the work and the effort put into it.
MV said,
October 14, 2010 @ 6:47 pm
Honestly, I can sort of understand where Drawn-Sex was coming from. They make money off their (horrendously shitty abominations of) art, and by having it uploaded here they’re being circumvented. However, it states specifically in the rules here that if someone “owns” a picture or pictures on here, they just need to ask and their stuff will be taken down and put on the DNP list. Bunch of cockbags.
As for non-profit art or pictures that are publicly available (I.E. stuff posted on HentaiFoundry or something), I can’t understand why people would demand it be taken off here. Paheal holds no grudges, takes no sides. It’s just dumb.
Finally, touching on what Perry above me said, I agree wholeheartedly. Some things have gotten me interested through Youtube vids, fan-drawings, and even hentai. Matter of fact, I watched Ben 10 because of unsanctioned porn pics of Gwen getting her underage ass hammered by her cousin, and a friend of mine got both her and me into TF2 because of the porn of it and the “NEED AN ERECTION HERE NEED AN ERECTION HERE” it entailed.
On a non-porn related manner, after watching DBZ Abridged, it got me wanting to see it again, so I went out and bought a few DVDs to reminisce. Toei Animation, who has been actively fighting to get DBZA removed from the internet, actually MADE money because of it. I think that if you’re not making money off something and not somehow sucking money from other people, through art theft or other illegal distribution of media, it should be fair game.
bob the mob said,
October 14, 2010 @ 10:00 pm
“We are also aware of the ‘how can you copyright stolen copyrighted characters and make money off of them’ argument. There is stuff about parodies and fair-use in there, as well as international agreements and local copyright laws.”
The toon smut paysites (Palcomix included, deal with it) have no right to claim any sort of copyright. Copyright in these matters deals in the subject matter of the work, not the work itself. Yes, you may have drawn the picture, but the second you chose to draw Jessica Rabbit/Kim Possible/Rainbow Bright getting railed you are working with someone else’s property. Tough shit if people spread it around, it wasn’t yours to begin with.
Parody? Please. This is wank material and anybody pretending otherwise is being disingenuous (although how anybody could wank it to Drawn-Sex is a mystery).
Titanium said,
October 15, 2010 @ 12:54 pm
Bob the mob – Again, I am not going to entertain that argument. We don’t have the power to change the way things are run now, and that way is that paysites have legal copyrights.
And porn is considered parody. Learn your copyright.
DaHentaiGuy – How do I fucking delete comments on here… this is not your personal request board.
Titanium said,
October 15, 2010 @ 1:46 pm
So apparently I had to approve some messages…
@cdc234 – Don’t care
@Chaosx – Try reading what I wrote. It doesn’t matter what we think if our host shuts us down. I suggest you try to educate yourself on the PRAGMATIC aspects of coryright laws in the US and EU. Furthermore, I don’t recall saying we fight for your rights; I said we respect them. No site you use will “fight for you”. Any site like DA, HF, and WWOEC doesn’t have to deal with this because they have a gatekeeping system whereby only artist who want their art there can chose to post it themselves. They avoid the issue entirely. I would be that not one of the would defend people in court if they were in our shoes, so don’t go thinking they are better than us somehow.
If you want to pony up the money for our lawyers and to find new hosting, feel free. Until then, sit down and be quiet.
@ShadowSonic – Again, pay for our lawyers and have your name as the defendant, and we’d be more than happy to. You do know lawyers charge hundreds of dollars and hour, right?
@MV – Drawn-sex seems to have been very careful to only watermark images they paid the artists for (and yes, they do pay artists). That doesn’t mean they don’t use other images (unwatermarked) to draw business to their site. As for the “holds no grudges” you are correct… we feel artists have the right to dictate where their art is shown. You can’t go into a museum, snap some pictures, and then make your own free public museum without asking for permission first. The flip side is that if you allow your art to be distributed freely, it gets people’s attention. This is the idea that Google uses for it’s 30 second music clips. People like BBMBBF realize this and use it to their advantage by allowing old or non-pay art to be distributed freely knowing people may come and sign up for the pay-art.
bob the mob said,
October 15, 2010 @ 5:02 pm
@Titanium
You first.
http://www.publaw.com/parody.html
“(1) purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is commercially motivated or instead is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) nature of the copyrighted work; (3) amount and substantiality of the portion used in the newly created work in relation to the copyrighted work; and (4) effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.”
“The second fair use factor, the nature of the copyrighted work, recognizes that *certain types of works are simply more deserving of copyright protection than other types of works* and consequently establishes the scope of copyright protection that should be afforded the original copyrighted work. The scope of fair use is greater for an “informational work” that is designed to inform or educate, such as a work of facts, information, scholarship or news reporting, than it is for a more “creative work”, such as a work of fiction, art or music, that is designed to provide entertainment.”
So no, Drawn-Sex would get laughed out of court as parody, especially porn of copyrighted works. This is not a case of making fun of a public figure a la Nailin’ Palin, it’s commercial use of intellectual property. In fact, were this to go to court your opening argument, before a trial even began, would be for dismissal based on the fact the plaintiff does not have any authority to claim a copyright/trademark for the works for which he is claiming a copyright/trademark.
Ronwe said,
October 15, 2010 @ 5:42 pm
Eh, that would be true if the creators and copyright holders of the charactors were to participate in the proceedings. If they have no interest in participating in the case, then it becomes an issue solely between Paheal and Drawn Sex. The only time that Drawn Sex would be in trouble with the court is when the charactor owners themselves persue them for damages, in which case everything becomes a moot point because we wouldn’t be able to host the images either way.
Even if they do not become involved though, Drawn-Sex is still the possessor of the images, in that they are the ones who actually created the specific images at issue or have aquired full and total rights to said specific images. At which point, they have fair right to sue us for the damages resulting from loss of revenue and piracy.
As things stand, we are in no position to bring a case to court, we have no rights or claims to any images we host. Us sueing Drawn Sex would be the very same thing as you yourself filing a claim of ownership on their art and suing them for possession. You have no rights attached to it whatsoever. Paheal is a free site, we are the bottom of the totempole. We will share what is shared, but we will not steal from anyone to get it.
Chaosx said,
October 15, 2010 @ 6:52 pm
it has come to my attention that this goes even further than what i thought. Apparently rule34 site owners have actually struck a deal with larger site companies and are actually making a profit off your works. hence why they just shit down our ability to post them.
I need a little more info before i can truely understand this, but from what i’ve been able to gather from so far. {told so far from 2 of the moderators who work here} Titanium actually struck a deal to let drawn-sex and their sister companies to take art from this site for a profit.
I’m not sure if this is perfectly true or not, but so far its making sense to me. Why else would he let them still your art while not vice versa? drawn-sex cherry pics art from here every day. some of it is on their front page.
If this is true i will stop at nothing to find your dox, and make your life misreble Titanium, i swear it.
to more I look into this, the more it makes sense, and the more i fear the rule 34 site was a scam from the beginning.
bob the mob said,
October 15, 2010 @ 8:45 pm
@Ronwe
Who is saying Paheal would be suing Drawn-Sex? What part of “dismissal based on the fact the plaintiff does not have any authority to claim a copyright/trademark for the works for which he is claiming a copyright/trademark” don’t you understand? The plaintiff has to prove ownership of the material he claims is being infringed upon.
“Even if they do not become involved though, Drawn-Sex is still the possessor of the images, in that they are the ones who actually created the specific images at issue or have aquired full and total rights to said specific images. At which point, they have fair right to sue us for the damages resulting from loss of revenue and piracy.”
Again, in parody the subject matter of the work is considered, not who made it. You can claim to own a picture all you want; if it consists solely of another person’s intellectual property, then even if you made it you don’t own it. The companies don’t go after fan-artists because they aren’t profiting from it and there are too many to bother with, but I guarantee Drawn-Sex knows they’d get nailed if Disney et al wanted to shut them down. That’s what makes this all the more pathetic.
Frankly, the biggest dick here is your hosting company. They obviously don’t give two shits if you get shut down despite taking money from you for years, and they’d certainly be able to shell out the couple hundred bucks for a lawyer to draft a motion for dismissal.
Also, Chaosx, stop spreading bullshit internet rumors. That’s not helping things at all.
Myoo said,
October 15, 2010 @ 9:01 pm
@Chaosx
Are you serious? I don’t know where you’re getting your info, but that doesn’t even begin to make sense.
Basically what you’re saying is that drawn-sex pays Paheal to remove the pictures and in return gains the rights to… stealing pictures that are freely available for anyone???
Look, I don’t want to antagonize you, but you need to realize that Paheal is a great site, that goes through a lot to provide people like us with a place to post and view rule 34 images.
Now, parody work such as rule 34 is on very shaky legal grounds as it is, and it doesn’t help to host images against the express wishes of the creators of said images. The fact is it probably wouldn’t take a lawsuit to get the images dropped. The threat alone would cause the hosts to fold, probably dragging the whole site down with it.
My point is you are not entitled to these images. You only get them thanks to the efforts of Paheal and its users. If it is of such great importance to you to get crappy art like drawn-sex’s stuff for free, then look somewhere else. I’m sure it can’t be to difficult to find.
Yaoitory said,
October 16, 2010 @ 6:42 am
I really don’t get that, if they are so crappy about it, EVER HEARD OF FREAKING WATERMARK!
John said,
October 16, 2010 @ 11:35 am
No offense, but you freaking suck. You didn’t even bother to make a TORRENT available to anyone who wants stuff that is now DNP (namely me, ten of my friends IRL, and more online, but also everyone else too), you didn’t even give us any warning about this so we could save the images, you just went apeshit on them.
WHEN SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE DNP, PLEASE LET US SAVE IT FIRST
Titanium said,
October 16, 2010 @ 4:34 pm
Chaosx – That’s utter bullshit. I’ve never allowed anyone to take art from out site for profit. I don’t even have that power. I AM NOT THE OWNER OF THIS SITE! I don’t get any money for doing what I do. What you claim doesn’t even make sense… why I would remove their pics, but let them take ours? Where’s the reciprocity? EDIT: I re-read what you said… and that’s utter bullshit. Who told you that?
We have agreed to host banners in exchange for letting some art here (like BBMBBF, CutePet, etc).
John – You don’t seem to understand… we got real court papers. There was no waiting. We were not going to risk making a torrent (which would be a shit ton of work). To be honest, we didn’t think people would miss it. It’s trash to begin with.
qwerty said,
October 16, 2010 @ 6:42 pm
wait, wasn’t drawn-sex those shitty horribly disproportional drawings of the simpsons, disney, and other american cartoons?
I always skipped that shit, anyway. what’s the big deal?
John said,
October 16, 2010 @ 9:19 pm
if you use utorrent, all you have to do is save the images to a specific folder, tell it to use that folder for a new torrent, and there you go. no work, no fuss no muss. There’s no freaking risk involved, due to .torrent files containing none of the actual data they let people transfer to each other.
now, I understand you were served with real court papers, and I can understand the panic to comply as fast as possible, but what I’m saying is, you could have simply announced it to everyone, and told them “come and get it while you can, because we’re deleting it tomorrow”. we didn’t even get that much.
and yes, a couple of them sucked, but stuff like just cartoon dicks did not. that’s what upset me the worst.
still, I can understand you felt they sucked, but don’t assume everyone feels the same.
Lmarc said,
October 17, 2010 @ 5:43 am
You actually got court papers?
Out of sheer curiosity, as a kid in law school, can we see them?
Rapps said,
October 17, 2010 @ 6:53 am
Drawn-sex’s stuff sucked ass anyway.
I’d rather keep Paheal and lose that crap, than lose Paheal and have nothing at all.
Don’t worry, there are still thousands of artists out there who support you, myself included.
KinGreat said,
October 17, 2010 @ 12:21 pm
I can’t stop laughing at some fag and his TEN IRL PALS getting steaming mad over the loss of trash like Just Cartoon Dicks which was almost entirely bad naruto pics of them whipping out their dongs
Titanium said,
October 17, 2010 @ 6:00 pm
@qwerty – Yes, it was.
@Lmarc – I’ll ask wiiaboo to scan it.
Titanium said,
October 17, 2010 @ 6:43 pm
Someone mention something about copyrights going awry?
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/patent-troll-takes-over-the-web-can-it-be-stopped.ars
Ensse said,
October 17, 2010 @ 10:44 pm
@ChaosX:
Like Titanium said, that is utter bullshit. Where’s your proof of this? Are these “moderators” you speak of willing to come forth and confirm that they have told you this? Seriously, where is the basis of this accusation? You’re just throwing shit out there and expecting people to believe you. I can tell you right now that a large majority of people would have done the same thing that Titanium did in regard to the lawsuit threats. Sure, he may have been able to win the case in court if he chose to go there, but what if he didn’t? He’d be screwed, Rule 34 would be screwed, and we’d have a HELL of a much bigger disappointment than we do now. The point is that he chose to do what he thought was best and safest for the site. Titanium made the right decision, so take your BULLSHIT and fucking leave.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 18, 2010 @ 9:08 am
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October 18, 2010 @ 9:09 am
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banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 18, 2010 @ 9:11 am
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October 18, 2010 @ 9:13 am
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banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 18, 2010 @ 11:04 am
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/445836#search=banjo-kazooie
stolen art
http://anime-dragon-tamer.deviantart.com/art/BK-Humba-Wumba-55527493?q=favby%3Abanjo-on-the-cliff%2F38397780&qo=126
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Derpernet said,
October 18, 2010 @ 11:12 am
If Paheal really did go anyway the wind blows or didn’t give a shit about the artists
1. They would have banned shota/loli artwork outright like a couple of pussy websites did instead of working out a compromise
2. The Paheal friends list wouldn’t exist
3. They wouldn’t even have a fucking DNP list you retard. They’re respecting your decision to not have your work get free publicity. Jesus Christ.
If it was something they felt was worth fighting I’m sure they would but really the only thing Drawn-Sex has that’s worth looking at is stolen.
And I don’t believe for a second that they would follow through with that weird conspiracy theory just cause it makes no fucking sense.
darthbrandon said,
October 18, 2010 @ 4:58 pm
what moonspeak is this
Titanium said,
October 18, 2010 @ 7:43 pm
Banjo is saying something about how we are stealing.
He also says Pixiv has a lot of originals.
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Titanium said,
October 19, 2010 @ 2:27 pm
Well, it’s kind of hard to reply to you when you block me on DA… didn’t think that through did you?
Again, we don’t make money off of art. We could claim Fair Use since we try our best to site the source.
Get off your high horse.
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October 19, 2010 @ 4:15 pm
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October 19, 2010 @ 7:26 pm
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October 19, 2010 @ 8:01 pm
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日本人ã®å¤šãã¯è‹±èªžã‚’使ãˆã¾ã›ã‚“。
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ã ã‹ã‚‰ã‚ãªãŸãŸã¡ã¯å¥½ãå‹æ‰‹ã—放題ã 。
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=13643919
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banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 19, 2010 @ 8:30 pm
オリジナルã®ä½œè€…本人ãŒå ±å‘Šã™ã‚‹æ©Ÿä¼šãªã‚“ã¦ã»ã¨ã‚“ã©ãªã„ã§ã™ã€‚
ã ã‹ã‚‰deviantARTã¯ç°¡å˜ã«å ±å‘Šã§ãる機能を付ã‘ã¦ã„ã‚‹ã‚“ã§ã™ã€‚
作者本人ã®ç”³å‘ŠãŒãªã„　=　盗ã¿ã«ãªã‚‰ãªã„
ã‚ãªãŸãŸã¡ã¯ãã†æ€ã£ã¦ã„ã‚‹ã®ã§ã™ã‹?
Titanium said,
October 19, 2010 @ 11:41 pm
作者本人ãŒæ§‹ãˆã°ã€å½¼ãŒè²¬ä»»ã‚’æŒã¡ã¾ã™ã€‚ドンマイã¨æ€ã†ã‚¢ãƒ¼ãƒ†ã‚£ã‚¹ãƒˆãŒå¤šã„ã„ã ã‹ã‚‰ã€ãã†è¨€ã†äº‹ã‚’決ã‚込んã§ã„ã¾ã™ã€‚
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Truth said,
October 19, 2010 @ 11:43 pm
This site continues to get shittier by the day!
Vorin said,
October 19, 2010 @ 11:58 pm
@Chaosx
Have you ever been sued? I have, it sucks ass and fucks up your life but good.
If DS is stealing pics from the site, which from what I hear is utter bullshit, then that is the artist’s problem, not the sites. If the artist has a problem with them stealing images guess what, (some) lawyers will whore for money for any cause.
I don’t think you’re old enough to look at porn anyway, go back to middle school.
Titanium said,
October 20, 2010 @ 12:23 am
Vorin – DS uses a lot of pics from out site (we think they got them from us, or one of the boorus) to attract people to their sites. It’s shitty, but not illegal. I am going to try to alert artists to the fact so they can take steps to tell DS to fuck off if they so desire.
Vorin said,
October 20, 2010 @ 12:45 am
@Titanium
Cool shit. No wonder you’re Bender’s favorite person.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 20, 2010 @ 1:10 am
>作者本人ãŒæ§‹ãˆã°ã€å½¼ãŒè²¬ä»»ã‚’æŒã¡ã¾ã™ã€‚ドンマイã¨æ€ã†ã‚¢ãƒ¼ãƒ†ã‚£ã‚¹ãƒˆãŒå¤šã„ã„ã ã‹ã‚‰ã€ãã†è¨€ã†äº‹ã‚’決ã‚込んã§ã„ã¾ã™ã€‚
ãã†ã§ã™ã‹ï¼Ÿ
ç§ã¯deviantARTã«1年以上滞在ã—ã¦ã„ã¾ã™ãŒ
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自分ã®ã‚¢ãƒ¼ãƒˆã‚’ç„¡æ–ã§ã‚³ãƒ”ーã—ãŸã‚Šè‡ªåˆ†ã®ã‚‚ã®ã«ã—ãŸã‚Šã™ã‚‹è¡Œç‚ºã¯å則行為ã§ã™ã€‚
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我々（作者）ã«ãƒ¡ãƒƒã‚»ãƒ¼ã‚¸ã‚’é€ã‚‰ãªã„ã®ã§ã™ã‹?
ãã—ã¦è©±ã‚’戻ã—ã¾ã™ãŒã€
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=13643919
を転載ã•ã‚ŒãŸã¨ã
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ã‚ã‚Œã¯ã„ã£ãŸã„ãªã‚“ãªã‚“ã§ã™ã‹ï¼Ÿ
作å“ã¸ã®ãƒªã‚¹ãƒšã‚¯ãƒˆãŒã¾ã£ãŸãå˜åœ¨ã—ã¾ã›ã‚“ã。
作者ã«twitterã§å ±å‘Šã—ãŸã‚‰ã€ã‚‚ã®ã™ã”ã怒ã£ã¦ã„ã¾ã—ãŸã‚ˆã€‚
ã“ã†ã„ã†ã“ã¨ã¯ä»Šå›žã ã‘ã˜ã‚ƒãªã„ã¯ãšã§ã™ã‚ˆã。
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banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 20, 2010 @ 1:17 am
>自分ã®ã‚¢ãƒ¼ãƒˆã‚’ç„¡æ–ã§ã‚³ãƒ”ーã—ãŸã‚Šè‡ªåˆ†ã®ã‚‚ã®ã«ã—ãŸã‚Šã™ã‚‹è¡Œç‚ºã¯å則行為ã§ã™ã€‚
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Mr_Curmudgeon said,
October 20, 2010 @ 6:41 am
So, you’re basically explaining that you’re just bending over to please whoever waves a stick at you, because you’re all too chicken to fight… and then you expect some sort of understanding from everyone.
Well, fine I understand your position, but I still can’t say it makes me think much of you.
Ensse said,
October 20, 2010 @ 9:57 pm
@Titanium:
You know Japanese? Because I can’t understand a word this guy is saying.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 21, 2010 @ 2:59 pm
If you can’t understand my opinions(commented), I will write English.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 21, 2010 @ 3:12 pm
>other people
Stop that meddle superfluous.
Titanium said,
October 21, 2010 @ 6:45 pm
@banjo
トレースアートã¯ç¦æ¢ã§ã™ã€‚ã‚ã‚Œã°å‰Šé™¤ã—ã¾ã™ã€‚ We will delete any traces or images where the artist’s signature is removed or replaced. It’s forbidden.
Sorry, my brain is having trouble with Japanese tonight. I am going to reply in English.
I understand that many artists view the “ç„¡æ–転載” (unauthorized reproduction) as insulting, but some view it as flattering. In English we have a saying: “Imitation is the greatest form of flattery”. What our site does is not as harmful as tracing, but it is unauthorized. Because of this, if an artist does not want their art on our site, we will remove it. We feel that our site does no harm… while there are ç„¡æ–転載 images, often artists benefit from the exposure of their art. BBMBBF (an artist) makes lots of money from his artwork, and allows some of it on our site because he knows it will increase business.
As for the comments, people have the right to express their opinions. If they say “a 5 year old child could have drawn this”, that is their right. No one has the right to deny them the freedom of expression. It is not slander; it is an opinion.
今晩ã€èƒ½ãŒå¤±æ•—ã—ãŸã€‚日本語ã§ããªã„。ã”ã‚ん。
DaHentaiGuy said,
October 21, 2010 @ 9:26 pm
Reporting needing combining of tags. Most people might not know that Kagome from Inuyasha has the full name Kagome Higurashi. I didn’t until I looked it up. Which I had to, because when I typed Kagome in search, I got someone from Pop’n Music. Never heard of her before. I finally had to use Kagome_Higurashi as a search instead. That worked. Please combine the tags Kagome and Kagome_Higurashi. You should also probably add the tag Higurashi_Kagome to it as well, as both orders of names are correct (one’s just the US name order, the other is the Japanese name order).
Mechanical said,
October 21, 2010 @ 11:10 pm
here comes the waambulance
i deserve free porn/art because everything should be free and i deserve it without having to work or pay for it, especially if it’s hideously drawn!
fuck the artist, how dare they demand some privacy and control over their work!
how dare you not fight for my right to self-entitlement!
you better make torrents of it too, cuz i’m too lazy to make it myself and didn’t save those images i liked before DNPs for some reason!
even though you provide free entertainment i demand moar! mooooooar!!1
why aren’t you fighting expensive, difficult, and convoluted law battles that I KNO ABOUT CUZ I AM A BRAVE LAWYER, YOU GUYS SURE ARE PUSSY FAGS NOT WILLING TO FYTE 4 ME, btw i’m not going to pay to help you guys is that ok lol I AM DA LAW
shut the fuck up and sit down.
regarding the traces from rule34, i have absolutely no doubt that those art thieves would have traced from any other place. it’s hard to blame rule34 for art thieves, as they will get their trace material from anywhere. rule34 just happens to be an easy target.
Argon said,
October 22, 2010 @ 12:48 am
Vorin, please look at a TGP site. or any of the sites connected with drawn-sex. They have my art up there, and doing DMCA’s and trying to email them doesn’t get shit done.
All they do is steal art, by the buttloads. Its one of the reasons I stooped drawing for public use. and only share private.
Titanium has zero respect for artists, he’s been laughing at us and telling us “deal with it” this entire god damn blog post. meanwhile his IRC butt buddies come in droves to just “back him up” because fuck it why not?
Both here and wwoec and futanari palace I took all my stuff down, art thieves everywhere.
Go to any of the cartoon tgp sites right now, they are hosting half my shit without asking me first, than clicking on any of it half the time jumps you to a :pay portal:” that leads to one of their pay sites like drawn sex, or cartoon reality or any of it.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 22, 2010 @ 1:56 pm
トレースアートã¯ç¦æ¢ãªã‚‰å‹æ‰‹ã«è»¢è¼‰ã™ã‚‹ã®ã¯ã‚‚ã£ã¨é‡ç½ªã§ã™ã。
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Titanium said,
October 22, 2010 @ 4:35 pm
@DHG – Why don’t you stay banned? Also, address the issue of the blog posting. If you have something else to say, email us.
@Mr_Curmudgeon – Way to read the post. We are not going to risk our site, money, and reputation as people (yes, we do things beyond this site) for a free porn site. Again, I make NO money from this site. I am not the owner. Why would I risk my neck, pay lawyers hundreds of dollars, etc. And even if I would, our host won’t. READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT.
Titanium said,
October 22, 2010 @ 4:40 pm
Argon – Who are you? Why are you so upset at us? And I don’t tell people to deal with it. I’ve gone out of my way to report tracers, etc. The mere fact that your art is no longer on our site is a testament to the fact that we at least respect your rigths.
Again, I don’t own this site. I do this for free. And to be quite honest, no one out there gives as much of a fuck as I do. I’ve not seen anyone else who has a life outside of the interbutts spend more time maintaining a decent site, writing polite emails, catering to the requests (and sometimes whims) of artists, or removing content with just a simple request email.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 22, 2010 @ 4:57 pm
責任者ã¯èª°ãªã‚“ã§ã™ã‹?
Titanium said,
October 22, 2010 @ 5:03 pm
@Banjo – Your views are extreme and, in all honesty, I don’t think I can placate you in any way. I know that Japanese law considers 「五æ³å…ãŒæã„ãŸã®ï¼Ÿã€ and 「ã‚ã–ã¨ä¸‹æ‰‹ã«æã„ãŸã®ï¼Ÿã€ as free speech and that our differences are not just cultural. I am sorry you disagree with us and that you are unwilling to compromise your views. I wish you well in your future endeavors.
ï¼¢ï½ï½Žï½Šï½æ§˜ã®æ„見ã¯æ¥µè«–ã ã£ã¦ã€å®Ÿã«ã€éŽ®æ’«ã‚„和解ãŒç„¡ç†ã¨æ€ã„ã¾ã™ã€‚日本ã®æ³•å¾‹ã¯ã€Œäº”æ³å…ãŒæã„ãŸã®ï¼Ÿã€ã¨ã€Œã‚ã–ã¨ä¸‹æ‰‹ã«æã„ãŸã®ï¼Ÿã€ãŒè¨€è«–ã®è‡ªç”±ã§ã™ã‚ˆã€‚ï¼¢ï½ï½Žï½Šï½ã¨åƒ•ã®æ„見ã®é•ã„ãŒæ–‡åŒ–çš„ã˜ã‚ƒãªã„。æ„見ãŒç•°ãªã£ã¦ã€å’Œè§£ã§ããªã£ã‹ã‚‰æ®‹å¿µã§ã™ã€‚未æ¥ã®ç«‹å¿—ã‚’ãŒã‚“ã°ã£ã¦ã€‚よã‚ã—ã。
Titanium said,
October 22, 2010 @ 5:07 pm
The owner of the site is wiiaboo. I basically run the site through (no offense to him).
mrbutt said,
October 22, 2010 @ 7:49 pm
what ChaosX said is totally true, im the larger website owner and im making millions of hundreds of dollars off your Sonic fancharacter recolours and anime dickgirl scat porn. i just got back from the Ferrari dealership where i sold a ton of your art to pay for six lamborghinis that i welded together
when you see me cruising down the highway at 6000 miles per hour, don’t forget to shit your pants.
cantthisallbesummedupby said,
October 22, 2010 @ 8:04 pm
If your art is available on the internet it is going to be on the internet
the existence of this site does not change that it just gives it another place to be on the internet.
Do you really think that this website is the only place DS or whatever shitty website would be able to find your art? If the people that posted it here were able to find it those awful sites would be able to as well. You really think that they are somehow magically unable to visit sites like pixiv, furaffinity, etc? If this site is a benefit to them it is only in terms of time saved as they would surely employ the same art theft tactics even if this site didn’t exist.
And I probably don’t need to echo this but Titanium really enforces DNP etc way more than I or most other people would.
chunk said,
October 22, 2010 @ 8:42 pm
>Titanium has zero respect for artists, he’s been laughing at us and telling us “deal with it†this entire god damn blog post.
Wait… what?
Are you somehow of the opinion that a random fan reposting a publicly released picture somewhere else counts as OMG ART THEFT, and that Titanium should delete all images that aren’t uploaded by the artist themselves? Otherwise I really don’t see how you’d find anything he posted in this blog particularly disrespectful of artists.
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 22, 2010 @ 9:49 pm
言論ã®è‡ªç”±ã¯ä½œè€…ã®æ„志を無視・侮辱ã—ãŸè€…ã«ã¯ä¸Žãˆã‚‰ã‚Œã¾ã›ã‚“。
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 22, 2010 @ 10:50 pm
「盗人猛々ã—ã„ã€ã¨ã„ã†è¨€è‘‰ã‚’知ã£ã¦ã„ã¾ã™ã‹?
banjo-on-the-cliff said,
October 22, 2010 @ 10:51 pm
犯罪集団ãŒè‡ªç”±ã¨æœªæ¥ã‚’語るãªã€‚
AnnOnomous said,
October 23, 2010 @ 12:56 pm
Meh, the entire thing sucks but you do what you have to do. If the site actually made money, I’d think that going to court might be more worthwhile. As it stands, I can’t blame you guys for not wanting to go through that shit and not wanting your names put on as defendants. DS is still a bunch of assholes for doing that instead of just asking to be put on the DNP list.
I’d like to be put on the Friends of Paheal list. I haven’t drawn anything yet but I intend to; I just haven’t found the motivation yet.
DaHentaiGuy said,
October 23, 2010 @ 3:37 pm
Hey Banjo. SPEAK ENGLISH DUDE!!!!!! Most of us users don’t know more than
Baka = dummy
Sayonara = farewell
and
Arigato = thank you
And most of us have NO CLUE HOW TO READ KANJI!!!!!!
darthbrandon said,
October 24, 2010 @ 5:17 am
in truth i am a little upset about loosing drawnsex because it was so bad it was funny but there are other funny pics out there and i don’t understand at all why ppl think they deserve more art(if you can call it that) for free this site ask nothing in return for hosting shitons of porn and wen a fagy site says DNP automatically its rule34s fault somehow and i really dont understand what r34 having a dnp list has to do at all with ds stealing and how its the fault of r34 that ds stole somebody want to explain this to me because im lost
Justinanon said,
October 25, 2010 @ 11:22 pm
Paheal is a repository where anyone, and their dog, can upload content. They do not own the content, they simply provide a platform. they set forth a few rules to limit the type of content, and to avoid legal problems on clearly illegal content. Like real CP and toddler-con.
However, they know they don’t own it and that they have no rights over it. The artist has.
So when an artists asks them to remove a piece of work that someone else uploaded they comply.
What’s wrong with that? They comply to the artist.
So if a paysite asks them to remove piece of art that they make money from, they comply. After all they can’t check wether the site is entitled to the art. For all they know the original artist has a signed agreement with said paysite.
If an artists sees their art is stolen/hijacked by a paysite it is the artist his or her own problem. Not that of Paheal.
You can’t expect a newspaper to sue to the seller of your stolen car right?
Eugene Umberto said,
December 15, 2010 @ 1:19 am
Artists who want to create erotic parodies of popular cartoon characters and retain their supposed “rights” to control their works are dipshits! We need to realize what kind of cultural terrorists that we are and promote the free spread of our works whether it be by Paheal or some other network. And I’m saying this as an artist myself. If you want “control” over where you art appears… don’t fucking post your fucking scrawlings on the fucking internet you fucking FUCKS!!!
Eugene Umberto said,
December 15, 2010 @ 1:44 am
Also… Justinanon… todlercon isn’t fucking illegal. Paheal is just too pussy-shit to stand up to the system so it draws arbitrary lines in the sand saying “THIS” is “off limits”. In reality it’s all imaginary, so why ban it? Truly just laws wouldn’t ban the spread of imaginary pleasures.
Titanium said,
December 17, 2010 @ 4:03 pm
Eugene – It is illegal in the US, UK, EU, Canada, and Aussieland. These is no question about its illegality. There [b]is[/b] question about the constitutionality of the laws. We’ve made our position on this clear. In short, we ain’t sticking out our necks.
As for artists’ rights, we simply abide by the culture that has grown on the internet. There may be laws about it, but that’s not why we usually heed artists’ requests.
AnOniMouse said,
May 24, 2011 @ 5:45 pm
Titanium, I would just like to make a public thanks for all the work you do. Also, I was worried my Google Translate App on my iDevice was shit when I was plugging in Banjo’s text, then I wondered what you replied with. Fucking CRYSTAL. Clear as if ’twere glass. This just proves Banjo can’t even speak engrish in moonspeak, and or that I pity him. And you othet [cuss]es, Justinanon nailed the head on the hit. Its just a regulated free repository. Why on the Goddess blue Earth would they fight IN COURT?! I wouldn’t, not for this! I would bawl me etes oot fer days, but its fucking PORN. USE YOUR IMAGININGSESZ.
Ironheade said,
July 9, 2011 @ 3:47 pm
Wow there’s alot of ungrateful douch nozzles on this post. I love and appreciate everything titanium and the rest of the admins behind the scene do for us. Rule34 is a gift and shitting on a gift or complaining about gifts gets them taken away.
Tyciol said,
January 23, 2012 @ 6:08 am
There should be another site for hosting all the content of people from the DNP list 😀